tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post8959222062470361917..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: Conflict of interest of the weekChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-48400462735274253012013-08-29T00:09:37.143+01:002013-08-29T00:09:37.143+01:00"Smokers think they quitting by using one but..."Smokers think they quitting by using one but in fact they are not. It’s just another way of smoking."<br />Adrian Butterworth is unknowingly supporting the late Alan Carr, founder of the most successful quit smoking method. Let me explain.<br />Alan Carr was an avid opponent to NRT. He quite rightly said that if a person wants to give up smoking, then they must stop feeding the nicotine monster which they have created.<br />Now smokers love their nicotine monster. I truly believe that any smoker who wants to quit only wants to avoid the potential damage from everything OTHER than the nicotine.<br />The nearest thing that the NRT stable have managed to the ecig is the inhalator.<br />timbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-41852489342609599362013-08-28T02:47:14.423+01:002013-08-28T02:47:14.423+01:00Despite the nonsense from the Antismokers nicotine...Despite the nonsense from the Antismokers nicotine by itself is probably not very "addictive." Surgeon General's Reports in the US were very clear on that point in the 60s and 70s, but got taken over by the Antis in the 80s because of the political power (under the Reagans' "Just Say No!" antidrug policies) of declaring it "the most addictive drug in the world." E.G. it was widely known and tolerated that "children" in their mid teens would often smoke and that stores would sell cigarettes to anyone who at least appeared to be at least 15 or so (legal age, technically, was 18, but totally ignored). But... once the Antis could play up the image of "innocent children being addicted by Big Tobacco Drug Pushers" that toleration went out the window.<br /><br />Nicotine plays a PART in the smoking habit, and a fairly big part, but the whole ritual/feeling of smoking makes up an equally big part of it once one has become accustomed to enjoy taking their nicotine in that form. Big Pharma's nicotine is about as appealing to the average smoker as sitting down to a meal with an IV drip of grain alcohol would be to someone who enjoys wine or whiskey or beer with or after their meals. Individual smokers probably operate along a continuum -- with some being more dependent upon nicotine and some being more dependent upon the ritual of sitting back from their work to think for a bit while enjoying something they like to do. E-cigs address both those needs to some extent (although they don't provide as nice a "unitary/discreet break" experience as an individual cigarette does).<br /><br />In terms of those famous "nicotine-enhancing additives" I challenged a professional Anti on that on a board a while ago and of course got no response. The only element of that which I am aware of is that some BigT companies discovered in the 1980s that slightly increasing the level of natural ammonia in cigarette smoke made the absorption of its nicotine more efficient -- thereby increasing the effective nicotine "dose" per unit of actual smoke inhaled. <br /><br />That **SHOULD** have been hailed as a great health advance: for that segment of smokers who smoke a lot primarily to maintain a pleasant level of nicotine stimulation, that change could well have reduced their total exposure to the undesirable toxic/carcinogenic elements of tobacco smoke.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-20538520183062393362013-08-28T02:09:45.919+01:002013-08-28T02:09:45.919+01:00"a stop smoking clinic would know that it is ..."a stop smoking clinic would know that it is the nicotine that is addictive, and not the tobacco."<br /><br />Not so sure about the nicotine addiction theory anymore. Nicotine alone does not seem to be very addictive ...<br /><br />http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/8/1/12Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115971330333201180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-58183230541170310332013-08-28T01:19:33.814+01:002013-08-28T01:19:33.814+01:00You would have thought that a stop smoking clinic ...You would have thought that a stop smoking clinic would know that it is the nicotine that is addictive, and not the tobacco. <br />That said, it has been claimed that additives tobacco companies use make the nicotine more addictive, and switching to electronic cigarettes is a useful first step to smokers who want to quit nicotine. The truth is that the anti smoking lobby are not about choice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15654831347340657208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-31230418758817084252013-08-28T01:13:30.445+01:002013-08-28T01:13:30.445+01:00"Both could be accused of self-interest if th..."Both could be accused of self-interest if they call for e-cigarettes to be banned,"<br /><br />I must say though, I find it a little hard to believe that Big Tobacco (or any industry) would call for a ban of their own products:<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/epic/bats/10213091/BAT-plans-to-dominate-e-cigarette-market.html<br /><br />http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/fmcg/imperial-tobacco-gears-up-for-first-e-cig-launch/348553.article<br /><br />Don't you ... ? Is there something here I missed?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115971330333201180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-83533272849723784172013-08-27T23:50:44.797+01:002013-08-27T23:50:44.797+01:00Perfectly stated Chris. Tobacco Control would do ...Perfectly stated Chris. Tobacco Control would do a lot better if they fired all their incompetent staff.<br /><br />Hmmm... but there'd be nobody left then. Ahhh well, it would still be better than what they've got.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-66135964769961498092013-08-27T15:28:21.736+01:002013-08-27T15:28:21.736+01:00Adrian Butterworth presents the harmfulness of tob...Adrian Butterworth presents the harmfulness of tobacco on the same level with ecigarettes?<br /><br />He gets money for this bullshit?Rursushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10191833657833635966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-4277318453260923802013-08-27T14:58:36.457+01:002013-08-27T14:58:36.457+01:00I presume that the 'crown' of which they s...I presume that the 'crown' of which they speak cost 99p from the local fancy dress outfitter?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com