tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post3169201129162471799..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: Alcohol Concern Wales' latest trickChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-26398334716240939362012-03-18T20:31:06.808+00:002012-03-18T20:31:06.808+00:00So far, my first post, with the first meaty link a...So far, my first post, with the first meaty link and excerpts don't seem to be showing up. I'll check back later and repost if it's not here by tonight.<br /><br />WaltAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-32164030995978900072012-03-18T20:29:14.631+00:002012-03-18T20:29:14.631+00:00A quick google for the second link shows it's ...A quick google for the second link shows it's dead but offered this tease of a behind-a-paywall article netted from a google of "DiFranza, Camel" Seems this article may tell the true story but from the POV of "science" injured by big biz while the first one, now gone, told it as biz injured by bad fraudulent science.<br /><br /><br />http://chronicle.com/article/Scientists-See-Big-Business-on/82381/<br /><br />WaltAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-64250476054016861052012-03-18T20:02:30.567+00:002012-03-18T20:02:30.567+00:00Chris--
The second link seems to be dead but late...Chris--<br /><br />The second link seems to be dead but later tonite I'll google to find it. Meanwhile, here's the first:<br /><br /><br />http://tobaccodocuments.org/rjr/525574250-4255.html<br /><br />Scroll tll you find this excerpt<br /><br />"When Dr. Joseph DiFranza's pre-testing for his 12/91 JAMA article showed that the ads appealed more to people in their 20s than early teens, he wrote his colleagues, "It would appear that we have just disproved our theory that the ads appeal more to kids than to adults." " <br /><br />"To get his final results, DiFranza changed questions that didn't produce the desired answers and included in the results the answers of "kids" who told him they did not smoke. He also counted respondents up to 21 years of age as "kids." <br /><br />DiFranza told a newspaper reporter: "None of these studies was designed to show that these Camel ads increased smoking among kids." DiFranza also found, but did not report, that 94% of the students who thought Joe Camel was "cool" also thought "smoking makes you unpopular;" 95% thought "smoking makes you unattractive." The Camel brand's share of the overall market has remained at about 4% since before the campaign began in late 1987. The kind of growth among youth that Dr. DiFranza claims would have raised the total brand share. •<br /><br />" In a paper presented at the 1995 Marketing and Public Policy Conference, Joel S. Dubow, professor at St. Joseph's University and an editorial referee for the Journal of Advertising Research, stated: "The errors of method and conclusion which occur in DiFranza et al are overwhelming. They consist of both errors of scientific method and what appear to be lapses of integrity on the part of the authors. .., And, we ought to ask, also, whether the actions of DiFranza et al constitute an incident of scientific fraud." 0 <br /><br />"The FTC dismissed this study early in its investigation of the Joe Camel campaign (see above)."<br /><br />WaltAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-52638317018299372522012-03-18T17:45:22.664+00:002012-03-18T17:45:22.664+00:00Wonderfully analyzed Chris! Beautiful!
Ivan, you ...Wonderfully analyzed Chris! Beautiful!<br /><br />Ivan, you wrote, "I am beginning to wonder if there is some part of the BBC charter that says the corporation must broadcast press releases from specified public health pressure groups however absurd"<br /><br />Dunno if they're still doing it, but back when I wrote Brains I remember researching the little antismoking subplots and comments in situation comedies and such things here in the US and found that the networks were able to use them to get out of having to play millions of dollars worth of Public Service advertising! Here's a description I made of one particular subplot example:<br /><br />===<br /><br />One particular episode of 7th Heaven featured an evil twin smoking after his smoking father passed away from lung cancer, while one of the regular teen characters started smoking, influencing two toddlers to emulate him by pretending to smoke with crayons as another teen regular kept loudly proclaiming all smokers’ stupidity and another younger teen quit a newly acquired habit to prove that he wasn’t stupid. To top it all off, yet another smoking character was thrown into the mix to rudely blow smoke in a nonsmoker’s face at an outdoor café while the home she was house-sitting simultaneously burned down from one of her cigarettes… after which she simply lit up another smoke and stalked off with a comment about the place being insured and nonsmokers being uptight! (No, I am not making this up.) <br /><br />===<br /><br />So maybe by reporting smoking news with the "correct" perspective the BBC is able to get out of broadcasting some public service commercials? Might be worth looking into: that sort of deliberate alteration of the news at the BBC might be enough to get some heads rolling if it's happening.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-27091917664635312972012-03-18T14:34:21.824+00:002012-03-18T14:34:21.824+00:00XX Good for them. It is an alcohol product. Is tot...XX Good for them. It is an alcohol product. Is total ignorance now an official temperance goal? Would they be happier if kids thought it was lemonade? XX<br /><br />Perhaps, perhaps not. But I suspect we are hearing the first shots being fired in a similar campaign that has lead to "plain packaging" of ciggarettes.Furor Teutonicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13856575077967523322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-76283157766240516062012-03-18T13:33:55.005+00:002012-03-18T13:33:55.005+00:00Hi Walt,
Can you post those links again? They don...Hi Walt,<br /><br />Can you post those links again? They don't work.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-9505371862698277972012-03-18T07:27:19.431+00:002012-03-18T07:27:19.431+00:00This is uncannily parallel to the (later proved fr...This is uncannily parallel to the (later proved fraudulent) US study by a guy named Joseph DiFranza that got Joe Camel banned. I note that this study says "children as young as" 10 which is weasel wording. DiFranza pulled exactly the same trick since the majority of the "children" recognizing Joe were 19 and 20. <br /><br />In his case, they actually caught him red-handed with damning memos to his backers in which, to get their money, he promised them he'd find what they wanted in advance (before he'd done the study) and also confessed in writing that, oops, he didn't find it but he knew how to fix it.<br /><br />Not that it mattered. Joe Camel was banned.<br /><br />Here's some links on the story:<br /><br />http://chronicle.com/data/articl...ir/ 16a02601.htm<br /><br />Walt<br /><br />http://tobaccodocuments.org/rjr/...74250- 4255.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-17167079882752781252012-03-17T15:46:05.261+00:002012-03-17T15:46:05.261+00:00Do people even know what alcohol is? Or do they ju...Do people even know what alcohol is? Or do they just think that the sound of the word is meant to invoke an emotion? (Alcohol is when daddy hits mummy and I cry)<br /><br />Do they think that a glass of wine is a glass of alcohol?<br /><br />Do they know that a 375 ml can of beer might contain say 16 ml of ethanol weighing about 13 g?<br /><br />Do people know anything, or do they just believe?Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03655694351271193881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-39052149722412966422012-03-17T12:03:56.771+00:002012-03-17T12:03:56.771+00:00I think they just proved that kids watch too much ...I think they just proved that kids watch too much TV. Probably need fund a study, and ban excessive tv watching.Tony Palazzolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-59894175811924099752012-03-17T05:06:07.898+00:002012-03-17T05:06:07.898+00:00Ho hum.
And when I was eight years old, I knew th...Ho hum.<br /><br />And when I was eight years old, I knew that Harp stayed sharp to the bottom of the glass.<br /><br />Didn't make me want to drink the stuff, though, as I also knew that was a claim I wouldn't be able to test for myself for another decade.Zaphod Camdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17842473720036362843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-33388959817734461042012-03-17T02:26:33.891+00:002012-03-17T02:26:33.891+00:00OMFG. If I did not have the evidence that said we...OMFG. If I did not have the evidence that said we should completely trust you, I would swear you were making this stuff up. <br /><br />My recent parody of "tobacco candy" research has nothing on this. In the parody, I created a methodology where there was twice as many of the bad thing and then made a big deal about how it was selected twice as often. I am inclined to say that using that gorilla ad is even more blatantly "cheating" than my joke.<br /><br />I was pretty proud of my satire, but this takes some of the wind out of it.Carl V Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01919902852457771666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-3570292297600518432012-03-17T00:45:05.932+00:002012-03-17T00:45:05.932+00:00Umm.. I heard a news item on t'radio earlier a...Umm.. I heard a news item on t'radio earlier about a raid on illegal tobacco growing... well, something like that, can't find it on the bbc website, but did come across this:<br /><br />Smoking: Tenovus calls for outright ban in Wales<br /><br />"The cancer charity Tenovus has called for an outright ban on smoking in Wales, saying the cost of treating tobacco-related diseases is denying the NHS vital millions.<br /><br />The call comes as two more health authorities introduce a ban on smoking, which is now prohibited in the grounds of most hospitals across Wales."<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17369600ftumchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-30653666451309894792012-03-17T00:07:09.720+00:002012-03-17T00:07:09.720+00:00Alcohol Con has lost it core grant but Alcohol Con...Alcohol Con has lost it core grant but Alcohol Con Wales is still very much on the teat of the taxpayer. Expect the majority of temperance muck to come from the valleys from here on in.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-54518354612229774872012-03-17T00:00:26.563+00:002012-03-17T00:00:26.563+00:00I am beginning to wonder if there is some part of ...I am beginning to wonder if there is some part of the BBC charter that says the corporation must broadcast press releases from specified public health pressure groups however absurd. You would have thought that even BBC health journalists would have sussed out that Alcohol Concern consistently churn out utter crap by now so I suppose that they just don’t care. <br /><br />I thought that we were no longer funding AC these days? The government pulled out but based on the appearance of their logo on a couple of reports I had assumed Comic Relief had stepped in to “keep up the good work”.Ivan Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364023294207490403noreply@blogger.com