tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post2804042749184400748..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: Nudge versus ShoveChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-33429095335371625132011-02-22T22:49:44.647+00:002011-02-22T22:49:44.647+00:00Adding to Chris O's thoughts above, it is crit...Adding to Chris O's thoughts above, it is critical for the health zealots that 'The Public' should be thought of as an amorphous mass and that politicians and the MSM accept it. Once politicians discover (and find it to their political advantage) that 'The Public' is a group of independent, intelligent individuals, the zealots' time is up. <br /><br />I think that this is a critical idea, and it is one that 'libertarians' should take every opportunity to push.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-79335272138377828012011-02-22T20:11:55.272+00:002011-02-22T20:11:55.272+00:00Sounds like the nudge has turned into a shove and ...Sounds like the nudge has turned into a shove and the shove is turning into a kick in the bollocks.<br /><br />I've noticed how keen the coalition are getting on collaborating with the Thought PoliceIan R Thorpehttp://www.greenteethmm.com/food-science-fraud.shtmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-22907970024955272412011-02-22T19:21:23.670+00:002011-02-22T19:21:23.670+00:00This post as been removed by the author as it may ...This post as been removed by the author as it may cause distress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-29462109950926149622011-02-22T16:10:50.917+00:002011-02-22T16:10:50.917+00:00The public health industry were never going to sup...The public health industry were never going to support nudge Chris. Yesterday’s outpourings on alcohol demonstrate that the likes of Gilmore, Thompson and Shenker crave the power to force the UK public to bend to their will and their will only. <br /><br />Throughout their discourse they refer to the public only in the abstract as some sort of mindless mass to be coerced and protected not by its elected representatives but by them. Unelected, unwanted and unsupported as they are, they have the arrogance to claim to represent us and our interests. <br /><br />For decades now public health has dictated to governments, cost billions and delivered nothing except a more divided, more broken and more miserable society. <br /><br />This appalling state of affairs is likely to continue as long as UK governments continue to fund pressure groups like Alcohol Concern and ASH consisting of people who are not actually experts in anything other than manipulating politicians and the media. And until:<br /><br />• The public, the press and parliament understand that being a medic does not confer omniscience. Ian Gilmore for example is an expert on the consequences of alcohol abuse but is no better positioned than I am to talk about its causes. He simply isn’t an expert in that context.<br /><br />• The mainstream press recognise that the “shove” strategy you refer to represents political rather than medical intervention and treats its protagonists with the same critical zeal that it applies to other political activists. <br /><br />• Politicians accept that they are there to represent the people as a whole and not a tiny vociferous minority that is all too used to getting its own way.<br /><br />• Politicians accept that the true health and happiness of the nation cannot be measured using public health statistics.<br /><br />There seems a lack of will amongst the ruling elite to take on board any of the above issues in the longer term so RIP nudge and for that matter millennia of the advancement of society through evidence and reason. How wrong do people like this have to be before the media and politicians have the guts to take them on?Chris Oakleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565704648953031588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-55118561499760429432011-02-22T16:02:09.429+00:002011-02-22T16:02:09.429+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chris Oakleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565704648953031588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-23921841620863643642011-02-22T14:09:13.912+00:002011-02-22T14:09:13.912+00:00But if Ian Gilmore and Liam Donaldson were standin...But if Ian Gilmore and Liam Donaldson were standing on the edge of a cliff, would you nudge them off or shove them off?Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.com