tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post1082984725940795583..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: The prohibitionist's dilemmaChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-57408206220437732922015-01-15T01:31:49.129+00:002015-01-15T01:31:49.129+00:00GREAT piece!!! And so spot on! They want smoking ...GREAT piece!!! And so spot on! They want smoking cessation, but on their terms. Sorry, it isn't happening!!!Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-44295637138788016692015-01-12T16:49:28.852+00:002015-01-12T16:49:28.852+00:00I disagree. I'm what they call a 'dual use...I disagree. I'm what they call a 'dual user', but I would much rather smoke real tobacco than vape.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-82997187829027543242015-01-12T07:47:13.585+00:002015-01-12T07:47:13.585+00:00No true, most will stick to vaping, it is far more...No true, most will stick to vaping, it is far more pleasant than smoking. Why go back to a product that kills you slowly?Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-4666569771665791682015-01-12T07:43:59.108+00:002015-01-12T07:43:59.108+00:00Scenario No 2 describes most Public Healh official...Scenario No 2 describes most Public Healh officials.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-74940275991405681032015-01-11T07:59:45.986+00:002015-01-11T07:59:45.986+00:00A study was just done showing smoking aided long d...A study was just done showing smoking aided long distance runners in running without the use of steroids and other drugs. SMOKING and certain chemical compounds did the trick!Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-42667847216228882772015-01-11T07:26:10.519+00:002015-01-11T07:26:10.519+00:00That article is about cancer. Yes there's no p...That article is about cancer. Yes there's no proof that cigarettes cause cancer. That's not even what we're talking about. I said harmful not that they cause cancer. Smoking affects lung capacity and function. Ask any smoker to run a mile and see how hard it is for them. Smoking lowers the amount of oxygen in the blood and is filled with chemicals. Smoking is harmful to the body, and smokers also have a higher chance of cancer according to correlations. We just don't know why it causes cancer. Regardless cigarettes are harmful it out body's and our lungs. You seriously come off so near sighted bud. You took what I said and turned it into something about cancer. And kudos were talking about the US and your article is from UK? I love ruffling feather of the ignorant. It's awesome. Go back to school budChristopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-66722758432042945382015-01-11T06:40:23.853+00:002015-01-11T06:40:23.853+00:00Just like ecigs what proof of harm none for smokin...Just like ecigs what proof of harm none for smoking either.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-44063290040660160112015-01-11T06:39:34.667+00:002015-01-11T06:39:34.667+00:00Judge doesnt accept statistical studies as proof o...Judge doesnt accept statistical studies as proof of LC causation!<br />It was McTear V Imperial Tobacco. Here is the URL for both my summary and the Judge’s ‘opinion’ (aka ‘decision’):<br />http://boltonsmokersclub.wordpress.com/the-mctear-case-the-analysis/<br />(2.14) Prof Sir Richard Doll, Mr Gareth Davies (CEO of ITL). Prof James Friend and<br />Prof Gerad Hastings gave oral evidence at a meeting of the Health Committee in<br />2000. This event was brought up during the present action as putative evidence that<br />ITL had admitted that smoking caused various diseases. Although this section is quite<br />long and detailed, I think that we can miss it out. Essentially, for various reasons, Doll<br />said that ITL admitted it, but Davies said that ITL had only agreed that smoking might<br />cause diseases, but ITL did not know. ITL did not contest the public health messages.<br />(2.62) ITL then had the chance to tell the Judge about what it did when the suspicion<br />arose of a connection between lung cancer and smoking. Researchers had attempted<br />to cause lung cancer in animals from tobacco smoke, without success. It was right,<br />therefore, for ITL to ‘withhold judgement’ as to whether or not tobacco smoke caused<br />lung cancer.<br />[9.10] In any event, the pursuer has failed to prove individual causation.<br />Epidemiology cannot be used to establish causation in any individual case, and the<br />use of statistics applicable to the general population to determine the likelihood of<br />causation in an individual is fallacious. Given that there are possible causes of lung<br />cancer other than cigarette smoking, and given that lung cancer can occur in a nonsmoker,<br />it is not possible to determine in any individual case whether but for an<br />individual’s cigarette smoking he probably would not have contracted lung cancer<br />(paras.[6.172] to [6.185]).<br />[9.11] In any event there was no lack of reasonable care on the part of ITL at any<br />point at which Mr McTear consumed their products, and the pursuer’s negligence<br />case fails. There is no breach of a duty of care on the part of a manufacturer, if a<br />consumer of the manufacturer’s product is harmed by the product, but the consumer<br />knew of the product’s potential for causing harm prior to consumption of it. The<br />individual is well enough served if he is given such information as a normally<br />intelligent person would include in his assessment of how he wishes to conduct his<br />life, thus putting him in the position of making an informed choice (paras.[7.167] to<br />[7.181]).Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-49130554229700210272015-01-11T06:36:47.718+00:002015-01-11T06:36:47.718+00:00JOINT STATEMENT ON THE RE-ASSESSMENT OF THE TOXICO...JOINT STATEMENT ON THE RE-ASSESSMENT OF THE TOXICOLOGICAL TESTING OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS" <br />7 October, the COT meeting on 26 October and the COC meeting on 18 <br />November 2004.<br />http://cot.food.gov.uk/pdfs/co...<br />"5. The Committees commented that tobacco smoke was a highly complex chemical mixture and that the causative agents for smoke induced diseases (such as cardiovascular disease, cancer, effects on reproduction and on offspring) was unknown. The mechanisms by which tobacco induced adverse effects were not established. The best information related to tobacco smoke - induced lung cancer, but even in this instance a detailed mechanism was not available. The Committees therefore agreed that on the basis of current knowledge it would be very difficult to identify a toxicological testing strategy or a biomonitoring approach for use in volunteer studies with smokers where the end-points determined or biomarkers measured were predictive of the overall burden of tobacco-induced adverse disease."<br />In other words ... our first hand smoke theory is so lame we can't even design a bogus lab experiment to prove it. In fact ... we don't even know how tobacco does all of the magical things we claim it does.<br />The greatest threat to the second hand theory is the weakness of the first hand theory.<br /><br />AGAIN WHAT PROOF!Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-5470176910645533742015-01-11T06:22:47.538+00:002015-01-11T06:22:47.538+00:00LOVE IT "If it tastes good...or better, most ...LOVE IT "If it tastes good...or better, most smokers will switch via their own free will." THEY HATE IT!Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-48649031343857228562015-01-11T05:51:04.602+00:002015-01-11T05:51:04.602+00:00Dude your literally illiterate. Your "choice&...Dude your literally illiterate. Your "choice" of works just shows how little minded you are. Vaping is a billion dollar industry. And has helped thousands quit. Go read a encyclopedia, and ps none of youre information is based on facts. Smoking doesn't cause harm? You are literally one of the dumbest people I have ever seen online.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-40042158405196518172015-01-11T04:53:28.386+00:002015-01-11T04:53:28.386+00:00Nick your livin in a dream world. First you guys c...Nick your livin in a dream world. First you guys come out totally dissing the smokers and siding with the Nazis trying like heck to get thm to support you as a quit smoking method/aide. Didn't work did it!<br />Then smokers saw a way to beat the bans with a few vapes indoors then the Nazis came after that and you. <br />Yet you seem to think vaping is here to stay. It filled a nitch market now its a market except one thing you can smoke your favorite rug of choise in it too!<br />Smoking been around 600 years vaping maybe 10.......tax base to government revenues ZERO!<br />Ive fought for you guys in the past but not likely much anymore since you still haven't learned you the enemy too,to tobacco control and fail to fight them as we do. Still hoping to be accepted as a quit aid or your latest harm reduction choise.....Hell they cant even prove smoking harms anyone and look what they are doing to ecigs!<br />Good luck But I wouldn't be buying ecig stocks anytime soon.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-37861796925174116672015-01-11T04:46:10.640+00:002015-01-11T04:46:10.640+00:00Chris that's exactly what happened when he ant...Chris that's exactly what happened when he anti-cigarette leagues were losing the last tobacco prohibition movement and most were recruited into anti-alcohol and became their partners in crime leading to he Volstead act.<br /><br />Besides if nothing else they can always become community riot organizers.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-72433591814158278022015-01-11T04:26:15.740+00:002015-01-11T04:26:15.740+00:00I have never heard of a melatonin based liquid. Th...I have never heard of a melatonin based liquid. That's genius. I'll have to look out for it. I buy a ton of different liquids but 5 pawns is my favorite as well as mt baker vapor. The prices are amazing and so is their product. You basically choose everything. Nic amount, pg/vg ratio and flavoring. 5 pawns is pricey but it's for special occasions. It code me about 20 cents a day to smoke. I will look out for the tobacco vaporizing you mention and try it out. How is it compared to cigarettes in terms of tar and chemicals?Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-49190136047002222182015-01-11T02:09:52.363+00:002015-01-11T02:09:52.363+00:00For me cost was definitely the biggest factor in s...For me cost was definitely the biggest factor in switching from smoking to vaping. I live in Australia where we have some of the most expensive tobacco cigs in the world. I was tired of giving so much of my very hard earned cash to the government so it could persecute me for a legal activity via its public "health" arm. <br /><br /><br />After making the switch, which wasn't as easy as it is in countries with more intelligent governments, (nicotine e-liquid is banned from sale here, as are vapouriser hardware in my state). I needed to source everything online. <br /><br /><br />However, once I started vaping I realised it was more enjoyable than smoking, (although no where near as convenient), and I quickly learned how to make my own e-liquid and coils and wicks. <br /><br /><br />I now have an enjoyable hobby. It wasn't about being able to dodge smoking bans. I now have the satisfaction of knowing that none of the money I spend on vaping, is going towards the persecution of others.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-83997361485766032852015-01-11T01:31:21.614+00:002015-01-11T01:31:21.614+00:00Cont.....
There's a VG-based e-juice line tha...Cont.....<br /><br />There's a VG-based e-juice line that I tried recently (when home in Chicago for the holidays) called Basic from the company Cignot. It's quite good and easy on the throat. I like their non-tobacco flavors that I tried, especially some of the fruity ones with a Joyetech eGrip. I also have a zero nic VG juice with melatonin that I will vape once in awhile at night..good stuff...and one with passionflower and l-theanine extracted from green tea for an extra boost of anti-oxidants once in a while. I've become somewhat of a hobbyist of vaping, I suppose.<br /><br />Ploom is still my fav though and the eGrip is a close(er) 2nd compared to all of the other e-cigs that I've tried.<br /><br />Cheers:-)Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-382676526977470282015-01-11T01:28:50.396+00:002015-01-11T01:28:50.396+00:00Cont.....
There's a VG-based e-juice line th...Cont.....<br /><br /><br />There's a VG-based e-juice line that I tried recently (when home in Chicago for the holidays) called Basic from the company Cignot. It's quite good and easy on the throat. I like their non-tobacco flavors that I tried, especially some of the fruity ones with a Joyetech eGrip. I also have a zero nic VG juice with melatonin that I will vape once in awhile at night..good stuff...and one with passionflower and l-theanine extracted from green tea for an extra boost of anti-oxidants once in a while. I've become somewhat of a hobbyist of vaping, I supposeChristopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-76533595390232530002015-01-10T22:12:47.053+00:002015-01-10T22:12:47.053+00:00It's not a fad to most people. And many places...It's not a fad to most people. And many places have a ban on using ecigs indoors. Honestly wherever your getting your information is wrong and you sound convoluted. Are you a vaper? Is all you know from company's like blue and freedom? How often are you in college classrooms watching professors using them? Vaping has nothing to do with bans. I can go buy a pack of cigs for $3 in North Carolina.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-27674589232712215582015-01-10T22:07:47.812+00:002015-01-10T22:07:47.812+00:00Your absolutely right. It's about finding some...Your absolutely right. It's about finding something that appeals to you. My dad was a 2pad smoker. I bought him a kanger with a protank. He hated the flavor because nothing is like a real cigarette. I tried to find something close to a Marlboro and realized that many cigarettes really don't have a flavor. I bought him a flavorless liquid and since then he loves it. He still smokes but has cut down from 60 to 10. I love my mods and build my own coils and to me it ls a hobby that helps keep me stress free. Vaping isn't a fad and it's not to get around bans. Jack listeria has no idea what he's talking about because he doesn't vape or underdtand the community. I hope all capers move away from the cig a likes and start using mods. Big brands are expensive just like cigarettes. It's just sad they now they are trying to ban ecigs and tax them to oblivion. People have their own reasons for vaping. Some use it to quit, cut down, save money, save themselves. It's a healthier option and everything Jack is saying is absolutely off point and dumb. How do you like your leaf vaporizer? What ecigs are you currently running? I use kangers and spinner when on the go, but always use my ileaf box and nemesis with kayfun tanks when home or have the ability to carry them. Also where are you getting your juice from?Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-15032231590682175422015-01-10T18:03:13.831+00:002015-01-10T18:03:13.831+00:00Thanks! Nice blog:-)
http://jredheadgirl.blogspot...Thanks! Nice blog:-)<br /><br />http://jredheadgirl.blogspot.com/Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-59988197210695278902015-01-10T17:45:07.029+00:002015-01-10T17:45:07.029+00:00ME2. :D
https://nzillatron.wordpress.com/my-story...ME2. :D<br /><br />https://nzillatron.wordpress.com/my-story/Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-41727818285792487522015-01-10T17:43:30.757+00:002015-01-10T17:43:30.757+00:00They are already gearing up to tackle what they ca...They are already gearing up to tackle what they call "obesity". And they have begun to recycle their successful tactics to demonize now people not fitting their concept of a "healthy" BMI.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-60876486360686051312015-01-10T17:18:57.845+00:002015-01-10T17:18:57.845+00:00Firstly, arguments between smokers and vapers are ...Firstly, arguments between smokers and vapers are becoming a tiresome distraction; both should be alternatives available in a free market, and recent events (e.g. vaping ban in New York) have shown that we have a common enemy, so we should stop squabbling among ourselves.<br /><br /><br />Secondly, the second scenario described in this post, is obviously (with a few minor exceptions) the reality. One thing puzzles me though, and I wonder if Mr. Snowdon or anyone else has figured it out. If the Antis are really working step by step towards Prohibition, then they are working towards their own demise. The more 'successful' they are on their own terms, and the sooner it happens, the sooner they will be out of a job. Do they even know what they'll do then? What are they thinking? Likewise, one reason to believe that tobacco will never be illegal, has always been that governments would lose so much tax revenue. So what are THEY thinking? (Or: are they thinking?!)Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-84757319539463052922015-01-10T17:04:15.486+00:002015-01-10T17:04:15.486+00:00I agree with you Nick. The vaping industry is only...I agree with you Nick. The vaping industry is only going to grow for both e-cigarettes/mods/etc..and for whole leaf tobacco vaporizers. It's only going to get better with time. <br /><br />I never planned on quitting smoking. However, I have always been interested in harm reduction. I had been experimenting (ever since about 2007) with various vaporizers for both liquid and loose leaf tobacco when I finally stumbled upon a HnB vaporizer that actually tasted good, that was it for me. I was like whoa, this is actually BETTER than smoking. Suddenly, I was a non-smoker. I have also noticed (like so many others obviously) that there has been great improvement in 2nd and 3rd generation e-cig/mods (I try it all...lol) as of late and it's only going to get better.<br /><br />If it tastes good...or better, most smokers will switch via their own free will.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-67098032768236891642015-01-10T16:51:54.726+00:002015-01-10T16:51:54.726+00:00It sure does Anja. There was/is an ANTZ on NOLA.co...It sure does Anja. There was/is an ANTZ on NOLA.com here in New Orleans that keeps going on about how he/she detests the "evil" 2nd hand smoke, etc... Anyhow, I had engaged this person in what some would call a rational conversation and by the end of it he/she was asking me why I feel the need to use SMOKELESS tobacco via a small tobacco vaporizer in public, to which I replied: I thought that you detested 2nd hand SMOKE.<br /><br />It was never about 2nd hand smoke.Christopher Snowdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.com