tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post7062549354486743129..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: Tolerance wins the day SwitzerlandChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-74188727952402033162012-09-24T18:21:47.328+01:002012-09-24T18:21:47.328+01:00It is no surprise that the Swiss socialists were i...It is no surprise that the Swiss socialists were in favour of the extremist measure and were disappointed by the outcome of democracy. Based on track record, one would have to conclude that Socialism and democracy are mutually exclusive. <br /><br />For a long time, Public Health has been a very safe haven for socialists. Probably a safer one than the "Independent" based on its circulation figures. Ivan Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18364023294207490403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-22253571157270280182012-09-24T16:29:08.478+01:002012-09-24T16:29:08.478+01:00"Rubbish. Just off the top of my head I can a..."Rubbish. Just off the top of my head I can add the Netherlands, Bulgaria, Portugal, Croatia, Poland and Austria to the list of places where smokers can light up"<br /><br />Excellent catch Chris. ::sigh:: it's sad how skillful their propaganda is. I read their statement without giving it much thought and part of me just assumed it was correct. Without your reminder the little "factoid" of just three European countries would have sat in a corner of my brain to perhaps jump out sometime, DESPITE the fact that I know perfectly well that the Netherlands etc are as you stated! Think how effective constant repetition of such half-truths are for people who have no real interest/connection to the subject and get all their information from "the news."<br /><br /> :/<br />MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-26078990481086845572012-09-24T15:04:57.361+01:002012-09-24T15:04:57.361+01:00They know it has to be an all or nothing affair.
...They know it has to be an all or nothing affair.<br /><br />Put simply they know that when a partial ban is in place and there is no continual propaganda being pumped even the partial ban becomes useless to the point that cooler heads go why is there a ban law at all!<br /><br />These bans life span is limitied unless the propaganda is pushed and pushed all the time. The money for such public mass media campaigns is pretty well gone. The American nazis have had to rely on the CDC to spend the money for nation wide media blitzes and even CDC's money is limitied in this regard. So Big Pharma has been making grants to the CDC for these anti-smoking messgages along with a hefty Grant to do a southern states economic study on smoking bans over a 2 year period. Of course Dr Friedeman gave the study results at the announcment of the study beginnings!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-27641651465206832742012-09-24T14:51:39.188+01:002012-09-24T14:51:39.188+01:00(cont'd)
But, the article I’d really like to ...(cont'd)<br /><br />But, the article I’d really like to highlight is this one:<br />http://www.medindia.net/news/asias-one-woman-anti-tobacco-campaign-still-going-strong-53807-1.htm<br /><br />In stark contrast to the Swiss circumstance over the weekend where the public had its say, Muckeye emphasizes how Tobacco Control Racketeers would preferably operate:<br /><br /><b>Asia's One-Woman Anti-Tobacco Campaign Still Going Strong</b><br /><i>“For most of the past 25 years, Hong Kong-based, British-born doctor Judith Mackay has been the tobacco control movement in Asia.<br /><br />She has pushed for tougher laws and higher tobacco taxes, lobbied for bans on advertising, and advised and cajoled governments in Hong Kong, Laos, China, Vietnam and most other Asian countries.<br /><br />She drafted Mongolia's first post-Soviet anti-smoking law in her hotel room on the last night of her trip there, after spending most of the visit under suspicion of being an American spy.<br /><br />Her success is based on her ability to convince the right person with the right power to make changes that will save lives. And she is happy to take advantage of non-democratic regimes.<br /><br />"That is one of the reasons I was so active in the 1980s. Once you had democracies, you have white papers and green papers, you had public debates and forums and it went on forever," the 65-year-old said from her Hong Kong home.<br /><br />"I found I could jump over quite a few fences in one go," added Mackay, who has been a senior policy adviser to the World Health Organization for more than 10 years.”</i><br />http://www.medindia.net/news/asias-one-woman-anti-tobacco-campaign-still-going-strong-53807-1.htm<br /><br />There we have it. Dealing with democratic countries can be such hard work. You have to deal with nonsense like freedom and personal autonomy. There’s all that useless paperwork required to justify your claims. And those endless public debates….. well! No. Judy would be happy to “take advantage of non-democratic regimes”. You need do deal with and con only one or, at most, maybe a handful of people. It can mostly be done over a six-course dinner; no paperwork; no public debates. Much.... much better. Smoking bans and a smoker persecution and extortionate tax program can be set in motion by lunch the next day. Then it’s off for a spot of tennis. That’s the way the world should operate.... none of this Swiss stuff.<br />JohnBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05165051324276559561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-50115305244337215312012-09-24T14:50:52.128+01:002012-09-24T14:50:52.128+01:00We’re all familiar with the high profile shmucks o...We’re all familiar with the high profile shmucks of the antismoking racket – Stantonitis Glands, John Banz½ the ⅓, Simple Simon Crapman, Gregor Cannoli, etc. Most of them travel to countries untainted by antismoking fanaticism so that governments can get first-class advice on how to destabilize their countries through antismoking hysteria. There is one particular fanatic that has been highly influential in the Asia region but very much “flown under the radar” – Judy Muckeye.<br /><br />Some background on Judy:<br />http://www.medangel.org/mackay.shtml<br />(Note from link above: “Initially, she was instrumental in bringing about a ban on smokeless tobacco products in Hong Kong”)<br />http://f2cscotland.blogspot.com/2011/09/judith-mackay-non-communicable-diseases.html<br /><br />An obituary by Judy:<br />http://blogs.bmj.com/tc/2012/09/01/obituary-dr-weng-xin-zhi-chinas-grandfather-of-tobacco-control-1919-2012/<br /><br />Hong Kong, where Muckeye has been highly influential, is now a centre for training in smoking cessation:<br />http://www.tobacco.org/news/327547.html<br />JohnBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05165051324276559561noreply@blogger.com