tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post5812020939551894292..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: Smoking ban will not be reviewedChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-36288232433031560682010-07-07T15:19:39.240+01:002010-07-07T15:19:39.240+01:00It's really inevitable that there are people w...It's really inevitable that there are people who will make outrageous and hilarious comments on what they want government to do in that website. Not all people are thinking for the welfare of everyone. Most would be giving opinions based on what they want for themselves. Though, there are serious ideas outthere and those are the ones that should be taken into consideration by the government.Mark @ Israelhttp://samsonblinded.org/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-48423256913413786722010-07-04T22:09:23.703+01:002010-07-04T22:09:23.703+01:00Chris, A tad trusting to expect the present mob to...Chris, A tad trusting to expect the present mob to agree to a review of the smoking laws - they are after all, politicians!<br /><br />As an aside one does have to wonder if "the ignorant, the illiterate and the mentally deranged" are in effect the "large chunk of the British public who don't take these things entirely seriously" - and not just on the smoking issue either!<br /><br />Another aside - working my way through the 'Spirit Level' - damn good read and well done you!Witterings from Witneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11349563961787006775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-6235858695545132132010-07-03T12:22:38.056+01:002010-07-03T12:22:38.056+01:00As long as the anti ban campaign
is primarily web ...As long as the anti ban campaign<br />is primarily web based it will<br />get nowhere. The vast majority of<br />social smokers by their very nature are not ,googlers,twitterers<br />blog readers,facebookers or digital<br />loners.<br />Simple question,of the 11 million smokers, how many read a blog or<br />website in a week, .001%,.01%,1%<br /><br />My answer,,,,,,,,, .001%<br />1 in a 1000<br />Saving bats has more activists<br />Just a suggestion<br />ALL campaigns to join together.<br />publish together,print together,<br />distribute together.<br />Lets be honest if any group objects to this,we should start to ask their true motives.<br /><br />Neo GothsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-42890041381916424572010-07-03T10:00:14.850+01:002010-07-03T10:00:14.850+01:00It also strikes me that this maybe an advantage if...It also strikes me that this maybe an advantage if true that there will not be a review, as the Health Ministry will not be getting a whole host of new recommendations for further restrictions.<br /><br />Though they may try at the end the day it is elected politicians that make laws not government remunerated clerks.DaveAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249090980650806030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-78623933915786032332010-07-03T09:12:41.365+01:002010-07-03T09:12:41.365+01:00I am not entirely convinced this review has been d...I am not entirely convinced this review has been dropped. John Tilley a civil servant at the Department Of Health and working for "Tobacco Control" in March 2010 told me he was organising it,<br /><br />Michael maybe right in that the public demand for an amendment maybe so great they may have dropped the idea. The signals from Lansley the Health Secretary about people taking responsibility for their own health a signal to the DoH that the Con Lib coalition would seriously consider an amendment and most importantly they are not running the show for Labour ministers to rubber stamp.<br /><br />I am trying to get access to the government to present our case and will report back.DaveAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249090980650806030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-86503145013178792392010-07-03T07:11:27.065+01:002010-07-03T07:11:27.065+01:00Yes, the danger is that the real intent gets swamp...Yes, the danger is that the real intent gets swamped by the banmeisters and the hang-em-high brigade. I have seen some items which are wholly appropriate and entirely new to me, like the fact that collectors of old penny arcade machines need a £6k licence under the terms of the last Gambling Act, as well as the more substantial issues about RIPA, CCTV, photography, 'extreme' pornography and, of course, smoking. Where this site is drawing in the expertise and experience of individuals, who have encountered stupid legislation most of us have not been effected by, it is working well. But the moderation process is seriously underwhelming.PT Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-86825161267715467272010-07-03T04:33:26.959+01:002010-07-03T04:33:26.959+01:00I agree with JJ about the crap drowning the real. ...I agree with JJ about the crap drowning the real. I've known Antismokers who call it "increasing the noise to signal ratio" used as a deliberate tactic.<br /><br />Re the review: it's clearly being dropped because the Antis fear the outpouring of public displeasure with it that would accompany review and probable result in the acceptance of either ventilated smoking rooms becoming commonly acceptable or even the possibility of pubs setting aside certain hours as being "Over 18 only" and allowing smoking.<br /><br />If the review continues to be withheld I think pubs should take it simply as a sign of the government operating unlawfully. True, they may not be doing so in a technical sense, however given their lack of commitment to the platform laid out several years ago, and then an outright breaking of a second promise (the promise for review) I think that pub owners would be within their rights to act as a unified group in declaring a switch in operations to a "reasonable compromise" (such as either of the ones described above.)<br /><br />The problem you would face however is the fact that thousands of pubs, those who would have protested the loudest and shown the most spine in leading a protest (since their backs were so clearly to the wall and even a rat will fight when it's cornered) have already been destroyed. It's as though the enemy army fooled everyone with an armistice while quitely poisoning all the crack troops on the other side.<br /><br /> :/<br />Michael J. McFaddenMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-6850244158763749522010-07-03T02:52:23.315+01:002010-07-03T02:52:23.315+01:00The problem with idiots leaving their crap all ove...The problem with idiots leaving their crap all over this new website is that it may mask genuine concerns that many people have about certain laws that they feel should be abolished...like the vindictive smoking ban.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05239651363530826401noreply@blogger.com