tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post3559892500640841821..comments2023-10-17T15:56:22.827+01:00Comments on Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: Season of hateChristopher Snowdonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15963753745009712865noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-81316632098772351512011-11-07T14:38:13.629+00:002011-11-07T14:38:13.629+00:00via today's ASH news. ASH don't say whethe...via today's ASH news. ASH don't say whetherthend to this barbaric treatment of the mentally ill is good or bad.<br /><br />http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/mental-health-smoking-ban-to-be-lifted/story-e6frfku0-1226185378832Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-83640296494326071712011-11-07T10:50:53.992+00:002011-11-07T10:50:53.992+00:00Is it any wonder that the French and Americans don...Is it any wonder that the French and Americans don't get on? Hello, smoking is fairly normal in France. If you don't like it, spend your holidays in California, Singapore or, if you a little more adventurous, Bhutan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-41997352829113854012011-11-06T01:27:08.582+00:002011-11-06T01:27:08.582+00:00From a poster in California's West Hollywood s...From a poster in California's West Hollywood section this morning:<br /><br />==<br /><br />jimmy<br />9:38am on Saturday, November 5, 2011<br />I am in Paris this week where most people smoke. ... I'm walking Down a narrow crowded Paris sidewalk today, and a 60ish year old broad is dangling her lit cigarette over the small sidewalk, impeeding pedestrian right of way. So I decide if she is going to physically assault me with her smoke, I'll physically assault her first, and a lot harder. So I just barrel into her arm. Naturally she doesn't dare drop that precious nicotine fix, cause she's an addict, but I'm sure my physical assault hurt her good. I just kept walking fast, I didn't bother looking back at the damage. It made me feel good.<br /><br />===<br /><br />ASDS (AntiSmokers' Dysfunction Syndrome) is a real thing... and dangerous.<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-10615015790887615402011-11-05T12:41:25.096+00:002011-11-05T12:41:25.096+00:00If the smell is so obvious, why need any doctor as...<i>If the smell is so obvious, why need any doctor ask 'Are you a smoker?'</i><br /><br />Gives me an idea for some Leg-iron-ian amusement that sympathetic non-smokers can join in with (well, why should he have all the fun?). If asked if I'm a smoker now I'm going to reply 'Oh, can you smell it on me?' Anyone who says that they can must have the most amazing sense of smell because my last one must have been two or three years ago. No doubt it'll be blamed on these smelly smokers I still hang around with. ;-)Angry Exilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491082312193274360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-75880037202592848132011-11-05T10:21:38.625+00:002011-11-05T10:21:38.625+00:00Two things:
1) I don't think the word "f...Two things:<br /><br />1) I don't think the word "full" is usually used here. Google doesn't see it much either.<br /><br />2) The time progression in five year lumps on google for "like licking an ashtray" is interesting though I don't take it as gospel. First occurrence in 1979 chimes with my memory of it not existing earlier. Occurrences seem a lot lower than they should be in general, but there's a very steady progression from one half decade to the next.<br /><br />Might be interesting to do a similar charting for the "like peeing in a pool" sound bite although you'd have to account for a lot of variations (pissing, or "in one end of a pool" etc etc)<br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-26725320339929365562011-11-05T09:19:31.268+00:002011-11-05T09:19:31.268+00:00"Kissing a smoker is like licking a full asht...<i>"Kissing a smoker is like licking a full ashtray" </i><br />Reply no 1: Well then cut the small talk and give me a nosh, Debs :-)<br />no 2: You've got a knife to your throat and you're complaining about cigarette breath?<br /><br />I adore my beloved but her breath sometimes reminds me of a vulture's jockstrap. Bad breath is bad breath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-67737828175878181972011-11-05T08:04:03.357+00:002011-11-05T08:04:03.357+00:00Great blog entry and great comments -- except for ...Great blog entry and great comments -- except for one as per below. Chris, yep, you should definitely add CAGE in your blog list! Magnetic... LOL! "The Ashtray Lickers Club": Love it! I believe that image developed in the 1980s: I don't recall ever seeing it during the first years of tilting with the hippie-Antis in the 70s.<br /><br />Now... the one comment I can nit-pick with:<br /><br />Frank said...<br />I take some convincing that those comments are from the general public. I know some can be bitter and twisted but not generally.<br /><br />Frank, either you haven't spent a lot of time on smoking discussion boards or you've somehow managed to defy the usual laws of chance in missing what's out there. If I wanted to take the time to do a compilation I could easily come up with a list of independent posters, posting things as nasty or even far nastier, that would be several hundred times as long as Chris's entry here. <br /><br />- MJMMichael J. McFaddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181949578184965482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-5409002395221283612011-11-05T04:02:38.471+00:002011-11-05T04:02:38.471+00:00Kin_Free - Remember they view this as a war and th...Kin_Free - <i>Remember they view this as a war and they will resort to an tactic to win !</i><br /><br />Yes, it's a war, and smokers have to realise that. Playing fair and compromising will lose this war. We have to be merciless in using their own tactics against their troops.<br /><br />Billy Ross - <i>I don't know how often I've been told "Don't smoke in my car" by the same people who sit next to me stinking of petrol after they've stopped to refill the tank.</i><br /><br />Years ago, when I had a tatty Astra, someone asked if it was okay to smoke in my car (an odd request given the permanently overflowing ashtray, but polite). I said 'of course, in fact I encourage it to cover the smell of the petrol leaks'.<br /><br />Yeah, I know, it was cruel but soooo much fun.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-63060134184425555402011-11-04T19:41:15.960+00:002011-11-04T19:41:15.960+00:00A couple of observations, firstly on the "sti...A couple of observations, firstly on the "stink" business: the Daily Fail recently ran a tear-jerking "open letter" from a daughter to her smoking parents about how dreadfully they'd abused her. Apparently the "stink" of smoke on their clothes and their breath was all-pervasive and sickening to her, but what upset her most was when they told her that they'd given up and they actually hadn't - she felt betrayed. Erm, hang on a minute... duh...<br /><br />The other observation is over the hospital business, and those ghastly correspondents. It was a repeated theme in the comments that any smoker in hospital must be there purely because they smoked, and therefore didn't deserve treatment anyway. Does this mean that it's only non-smokers that ever get genuinely ill to the point of requiring hospital treatment? And if so, why?Rick Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-66695195117702312572011-11-04T18:34:07.331+00:002011-11-04T18:34:07.331+00:00" I would ask any antismoker making that stat..." I would ask any antismoker making that statement when they first started licking ashtrays, how often they do it, and whether they think there is anything astray - maybe even disturbed - about the practice."<br /><br />Thet just get all huffy when you do that. :)<br /><br />Rather amusing, actually!<br /><br />Gary K.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-10247000849411632262011-11-04T18:03:40.141+00:002011-11-04T18:03:40.141+00:00"Kissing a smoker is like licking a full asht...<i>"Kissing a smoker is like licking a full ashtray”</i><br /><br />I don’t know of any smokers that are familiar with “licking a full ashtray”. But it seems that antismokers are highly familiar with this peculiar “licking” adventure, given their constant use of the experience as “a comparison”. I would ask any antismoker making that statement when they first started licking ashtrays, how often they do it, and whether they think there is anything astray - maybe even disturbed - about the practice.Magneticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-80966195633130226652011-11-04T17:31:40.299+00:002011-11-04T17:31:40.299+00:00I don't know how often I've been told &quo...I don't know how often I've been told "Don't smoke in my car" by the same people who sit next to me stinking of petrol after they've stopped to refill the tank.<br /><br />I've nothing against car-drivers per se, (I'm a smoker who prefers to cycle, but have been known to take the occasional taxi), but the double standard never ceases to amaze me. The smog that hangs thick over our major cities blocking out our much needed sunlight is not caused by smokers. The general smell of a traffic-infested city is not caused by smokers. The gray-black stains which cover the streets and buildings are not caused by smokers.<br /><br />I really can't comment on the statistics, but I'm pretty sure the amount of car owners of the world outweighs the number of smokers, but here's a little test. Two sealed garages. I'll go in one and chain-smoke. In the other, let's have a condescending non-smoking motorist with his engine running...Billy Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-5001395204611724082011-11-04T17:04:08.848+00:002011-11-04T17:04:08.848+00:00I blogged about this despicable situation http://c...I blogged about this despicable situation http://cagecanada.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-are-sheltered-designated-smoking.html . <br /><br />Seeing how much traffic you seem to be getting, I would also appreciate, if of course you mostly agree with the CAGE mission and philosophy, to add our address http://www.cagecanada.blogspot.com in your bloglist. Thanks. <br /><br />Iro CyrC.A.G.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08720876700472441565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-67665909600606005742011-11-04T13:42:16.403+00:002011-11-04T13:42:16.403+00:00It reminds me of an advertising campaign for deodo...It reminds me of an advertising campaign for deodorant decades ago, designed to foster insecurity in social settings.<br /><br />"What your best friend won't tell you - B.O."<br /><br />With everyone paralysed with terror lest they were unknowingly giving offence, I expect it resulted in a huge boost in sales.<br /><br />Spoken in a confidential whisper if I remember correctly.<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-64829916935352278552011-11-04T13:29:41.685+00:002011-11-04T13:29:41.685+00:00I would rather a smoker sat next to me on a long f...I would rather a smoker sat next to me on a long flight than some of the great unwashed I've had to endure over the years. I still shudder at the thought of one trip to Hong Kong when I was apparently sitting next to someone who hadn't changed their socks for a few months.<br /><br /><i>"Kissing a smoker is like licking a full ashtray"</i> How do they know? Some folk have strange hobbies.The Apiaristnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-46074983026304385492011-11-04T12:37:42.271+00:002011-11-04T12:37:42.271+00:00Mr A, there are moves to get WADA to ban nicotine,...Mr A, there are moves to get WADA to ban nicotine, but it is not yet banned. A paper recently appeared detailing the performance enhancing effects. Apparently, a high proportion of sportmen and athletes use smokeless tobacco. See<br /><br />http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/international-sports-monitoring-agency.html<br /><br />I too find it amusing that the proportion of smokers in the England football team is higher than that in the general population. Also, that at Old Trafford,out of 76,000 people, the only two smoking at a quarter to three on Saturdays are Rooney and Berbatov.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-83745359802624509432011-11-04T12:27:19.362+00:002011-11-04T12:27:19.362+00:00"Not to mention the cost to clean up smoking ..."Not to mention the cost to clean up smoking lounge draperies, fabric chairs, carpet."<br /><br />This person has not been in the smoking cage beyond passport control at Manchester airport.<br /><br />What would be the likely outcome if advert proclaimed that, "If you eat curry, you stink?" I think it would merit a discussion on Nicky Campbell's phone-in. Whenever I see one of these adverts, I think of Audrey Hepburn. Try as I might, I can't find her repulsive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-36935620952659897972011-11-04T11:45:21.559+00:002011-11-04T11:45:21.559+00:00West Hollywood, California is set to enact a law p...West Hollywood, California is set to enact a law protecting smokers from the threat of eviction: <br />http://westhollywood.patch.com/articles/bill-would-protect-renters-who-smoke-from-threat-of-eviction <br /> <br />That website is also running a poll asking readers about apartment smoking: <br />http://westhollywood.patch.com/articles/reader-poll-how-do-you-feel-about-the-apartment-anti-smoking-billAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-84286926391350309482011-11-04T11:09:26.612+00:002011-11-04T11:09:26.612+00:00Another government-sponsored harmony-fest:
So, wh...Another government-sponsored harmony-fest:<br /><br /><i>So, why stupid? It's simple. We all have a decision to make; to smoke or to not smoke. We're not saying smokers are stupid, and we're not here to insult them, but anyone who is honest knows the facts and takes accountability for their own decisions knows that smoking is a stupid choice.<br />The Stupid.ca anti-tobacco movement was created for youth, by youth. Me. You. All of us. This is OUR movement.</i><br />http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/en/youth/stupid/briefingRoom/manifesto.aspMagneticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-40586572186790324022011-11-04T10:37:52.868+00:002011-11-04T10:37:52.868+00:00"confirmed" - "concerned.""confirmed" - "concerned."Mr Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-32466394441280421142011-11-04T10:37:29.664+00:002011-11-04T10:37:29.664+00:00Empirical research?
I am in agreement with CAGE o...Empirical research?<br /><br />I am in agreement with CAGE on this one. While we all know the odd gullible idiot who has fallen strongly for the TC psychological manipulation, I do not believe that the majority of ordinary people would write such bile. There is no doubt that this sort of psychological manipulation works on their conscious / sub-conscious though. <br /><br />This has been obvious to me for a long time so I tested that theory on an article in the Guardian, june 1st - 4th this year. It is still there, read the comments for details :- <br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/01/green-smoking-australia-cigarettes?commentpage=all#start-of-comments<br /><br />I was able to comment early, on 1st June, with the challenge then again on 3rd june disclosing my intentions, comments were close over 24 hours later. There were 143 comments; around 40 posters were supportive of tobacco control on this comments board, some posting more than one comment but only ONE responded to my challenge to deny any affiliations with ‘tobacco control’. <br /><br />This is strongly suggestive that the overwhelming majority of commentators supporting the tobacco control agenda ARE employed in some way with the tobacco control movement but intent on deceiving the public that they are just an average man in the street.<br /><br />Remember they view this as a war and they will resort to an tactic to win !Kin_Freehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08315471344708077392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-17254855962907485082011-11-04T10:37:03.335+00:002011-11-04T10:37:03.335+00:00Indeed, I work at a University and work 1-to-1 wit...Indeed, I work at a University and work 1-to-1 with students which obviously necessitates sitting very close to them as we go over their work. I have lost track of the number of them who eventually see me in the (sole) smoking area outside and then say, "Oh, I didn't know you were a smoker!"<br /><br />Conversely, I have some students who, having realised I'm a smoker then say, "Oh, I smoke too, and I'm usually gagging for one by the time I see you as I come straight from a lecture. Can we do some of our session in the smoking area?" And similarly, I too have had no idea that they smoked.<br /><br />As far as "coughing their lungs up" is confirmed, someone should tell these idiots that nicotine has been banned as a performance enhancing drug by the IOC, a quarter of the current England team are confirmed as smokers (Rooney, Crouch, Cole), and there are possibly more. And after 22 years of smoking I have recently started running and I ran 4 miles on my first attempt, despite not having run in over two decades. <br /><br />The anti-science and scaremongering in this field, despite the evidence of people's own eyes and everyday experience, is staggering.Mr Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-44961746664751501682011-11-04T10:35:54.988+00:002011-11-04T10:35:54.988+00:00I take some convincing that those comments are fro...I take some convincing that those comments are from the general public. I know some can be bitter and twisted but not generally.Franknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-46381406325567601242011-11-04T09:10:19.126+00:002011-11-04T09:10:19.126+00:00If the smell is so obvious, why need any doctor as...If the smell is so obvious, why need any doctor ask 'Are you a smoker?'Belindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16284836559314332001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3585028625507474093.post-38186371587496346212011-11-04T05:51:47.865+00:002011-11-04T05:51:47.865+00:00I wouldn't worry too much about it Chris. The...I wouldn't worry too much about it Chris. These can't possibly be common ordinary citizens. I refuse to believe it, even in anti-smoke frenzy territory such as Canada! <br /><br />Nah, this is who they are: <br /><br />http://cagecanada.blogspot.com/2011/02/inside-tobacco-control-industry-and.html<br /><br />Iro CyrC.A.G.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08720876700472441565noreply@blogger.com